DEAF REPRESENTATION AND ASL/ENGLISH PROFESSIONAL INVOLVEMENT IS A MUST IN ALL LEVELS OF EHDI (Early Hearing Detection Intervention)
The Deaf Bilingual Coalition spearheaded an effort at the Chicago EHDI conference to change how EHDI runs its program for Deaf babies. The DBC repeatedly requested a meeting with the EHDI leadership and they finally agreed to have a meeting on Tuesday morning at 6:30 a.m.
This is the CART transcript showing how the meeting progressed. We had over 30 to 40 people in the meeting with concerns about how EHDI operates without any Deaf Professionals in the EHDI administration.
Please read carefully how EHDI officials communicate with the Deaf professionals and hearing allies during this meeting.
EHDI CONFERENCE 2010
MARCH 2, 2010
6:30 AM TO 7:15 AM LOCAL CHICAGO TIME
DEAF CULTURE MEETING
SET UP BY DEAF BILINGUAL COALITION,
TATE ROOM, INTERCONTINENTAL HOTEL
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This transcript is being provided in a rough-draft format. Communication Access Realtime Translation (CART) is provided in order to facilitate communication accessibility and may not be a totally verbatim record of the proceedings
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Refinement of original rough draft has included full identification of speakers (first & last names) and their respective organization, explanations of acronyms, correction of spelling and transcription grammar errors.
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>> KARL WHITE (National Center for Hearing Assessment and Management, NCHAM, EDHI Co-Sponsor -Leader): Okay. So welcome. We’ll turn the time to John or David to start.
>> JOHN EGBERT (DBC Founder): I thank all of you here as we start the day. We have some rules. Anyone who would like to speak, please raise your hand, and you must say your name first. Identify yourself first, and it will be recorded on CART.
Give your name and what your role is. My name is John Egbert, and I am the facilitator of this meeting. So instead of having a lot of interruptions, I will try to facilitate and identify who is talking. We’re going to start the meeting now.
David, if you would start?
>> DAVID O. REYNOLDS (DBC Board Member at Large): Thank you. Thank you, John. If you don’t mind, could someone close the door, please? It’s a distraction for me.
I have already told people that the meeting will start at 6:30. Good morning! Good morning! Congratulations to all of you people who got up so early this morning. I know that we had to get up at 5:30, 5:45 and get ready and shower to look nice to be here this morning, so good morning and thank you.
I’d like to thank you all for coming to this meeting, and thank you, EHDI, for working so hard. I know that EHDI is really making steps to have everything be successful, and I appreciate your effort. We want to acknowledge that.
I want to thank you for your efforts to make this program better. I would like to give you a little bit of history about why we decided to ask for this meeting today.
And I feel that’s important to share. Last year we had a meeting Tuesday afternoon after the conference and that was last year. With EHDI, all of the EHDI leaders. We sat and we talked and proposed what we would like to see happen to improve the program, to have more Deaf people involved for this conference that serves Deaf children and babies. So we talked and we made efforts and talked through the year, and we talked about areas that we feel need improvement, and that’s our history. So letters back and forth, our dialogue was setup mostly with Karl White, and Karl if you could identify yourself.(Karl raises hand and nods) So Karl White and I had a lot of dialogue back and forth, and he represents his group, and I represent our group. So as we dialogued we had a very interesting good conversation.
We had a lot of discussions. A lot of agreements and decisions to find the time for this meeting an opportunity where we could all have an open dialogue to talk about goals to make improvements. That’s where we’re going to start today.
So is a good time to do that. I am going to turn it over to Tami. Our time is very limited. I already told some of you we have 45 minutes. The goal is to accomplish something, and I know that a lot of people who came here came for support and for solidarity and I appreciate that. Thank you for that. A lot of people wanted to come and watch just to support us. Thank you for coming. We appreciate that. Your presence mean as lot. So, Tami?
>> TAMI HOSSLER (DBC Board of Directors Member): I am going to sit down and use the interpreter. Everybody can see me? We’re okay? All right. Good. I am Tami, and I am a mother, older mother, my daughter is 25 now. So I am one of the people in the 90%. — one of those mothers in the 90% hearing parents that have Deaf children. And when Erica was born, I never had a Deaf person brought to me through early intervention. Back 25 years ago there still wasn’t early intervention at the time. So I never had a Deaf person brought to me. It was up to me having to search out Deaf people to find them. And so I started to wonder why that was. And I started to look into early intervention and that sort of thing. And what we have found is that the Deaf professionals are really missing at all levels in early intervention and detection, and I am talking about a critical mass of Deaf professionals at every level.
So we’re talking about national directors, state directors, state agency directors, service providers, Deaf mentors. We really have such a small, small amount of Deaf people in the system. So it’s interesting because recently this case study was sent to me by Barbara Raimondo [NAD Advocate Lawyer], and it was a case study just done and it’s talking about the interagency coordination of federal newborn hearing screening programs. And it was written by ASTHO, which means the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials. And really it talks about how early detection and intervention and all of the departments and so forth, and all of the stakeholders are working together collaboratively, and how well the system is working. And it really does show that the EHDI program is very successful in collaborating with organizations and inter-agencies.
But as we look at this, there were recommendations in here. And one of those recommendations was that — well, here, first of all, one of those recommendations was to include members of the Deaf community as equal stakeholders as opposed to token participants requiring 50/50 split between Deaf and hearing committee members. So that was one area that they identified as one of the greatest challenges. And there are three they identified all together. That was one. The other is engaging in the Department of Education Part “C” services, and the other was sharing data among stakeholders. So as we also look at this study, it showed — and I thought that this was really great — it shows all of the different stakeholders. Basically, they’re all stakeholders.
But as I was looking through this, I really didn’t see any Deaf professional, ASL bilingual stakeholders in this group as a group themselves, as a stakeholder group themselves. And so that’s basically — this sort of basically said everything that all of us have been thinking for a long time, is that we really need Deaf ASL professionals included into this stakeholder group, ASL users as well. Not just Deaf, but hearing partnerships with Deaf professionals and this group that could become as these stakeholders are, advisory committees to EHDI so that we feel as though we are apart of EHDI as well.
So our recommendation today is that this group of stakeholders sets up an advisory committee or whatever it is that you call that, and work collaboratively with all of you at the national level so that we feel that we can share with you can you share with us and we feel included in the process so that when you need resources from Deaf professionals, or we need resources from you, we have an immediate connection to you versus not knowing where to go. And so our recommendation is that we setup a stakeholders group.
>> BETH BENEDICT (ASDC President, (2010 Maxon Award winner for EDHI excellence), Gallaudet Professor): I think maybe I would like them to respond. to that I think that’s fair if you Karl, would like to respond first. I’m sorry, my name is Beth Benedict, and I think that it’s a good time for a response because there are similar issues that have already been brought up. Before we get going, first, I would like to thank you for a wonderful conference. I have only been here for a few hours, but there are big changes, and I think that the bottom line here is, to summarize, is we need more involvement from the Deaf community. The EHDI conference is improving, and we appreciate that. At this level it’s improving. But other programs that come from your funding, we would like to know how that would be handled.
>> KARL WHITE: My name is Karl White, and I am one of the co-sponsors. As you know (Cell phone ringing interrupts — owner turns it off) — there are four co-sponsors of this meeting. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention [CDC] with John Eichwald being the team lead. The American Academy of Pediatrics [AAP] with Michelle [Esquivel], and the Health Resource and Services Administration [HRSA] with Irene [Forsman] usually referred to as MCHB [Maternal and Child Health Bureau].
If you look in your conference program, it states that the goal of this conference is to improve EHDI programs, all aspects of the EHDI programs from screening, diagnosis, early intervention, medical home, family support programs, data and tracking, quality assurance, so there are many different aspects of EHDI. And this conference is designed to respond to all of those aspects, and because of that it has many, many different stakeholders. And we welcome advice and input from all of those stakeholders. And we have received quite a bit, and there is not a federal advisory committee setup for this, and John can respond to what the requirements for having a scheduled advisory committee are which are quite complicated and extensive.
But we do receive input from many people, and welcome that at all times. So if the Deaf Bilingual Coalition, or the National Association of the Deaf, or the American Society of Deaf children, or anyone of 100 other groups, and I am not exaggerating at all, not just Deaf, but speech-language pathologists, early interventionists, parent groups, medical associations want to give us input, they are not only welcomed but encouraged to do that, and we will receive good ideas from anybody at any time. And we’ll probably receive some bad ideas from some of those groups also. And we will sort through those and do the best that we can. You mentioned the lack of Deaf professionals. There are mechanisms to address that. I would encourage you to look at the OSEP [Office of Special Education Programs] personnel preparation grants, to look at the MCHB communicative disorders training grants.
If there are not enough Deaf professionals in the field, the co-sponsors of EHDI are not going to solve that, but we would certainly welcome and if we could provide you with insight and support we would be happy to do that as you apply to those existing programs to increase the presence of Deaf individuals in the profession.
We do not have a quota system for any representatives. We put together a planning committee at the beginning of each year. This year that planning committee contrary to some of the information that was circulated had four Deaf people out of 13 appointees. It had three additional parents of Deaf children. I know some of you didn’t feel like we had the right Deaf people, but I think that is a great indication of how heterogeneous the Deaf community is. And we will certainly continue to strive to have representation in that planning committee from all of the stakeholders, not just from Deaf people, but Deaf people are an important part of that group, as are physicians, speech-language pathologists, audiologists, parents, et cetera.
I would hope that none of the Deaf people or parents of Deaf people or anyone else on that committee this year felt like they were tokens. It certainly didn’t appear to me that they felt like they were tokens, and there were a lot of suggestions made not only by Deaf people but by others as to what we ought to do with this conference. And we took some risks in trying some of those. So far what I’ve seen the things that we hadn’t done before that were a little risky, it worked out very well. But we will continue to try and do new and somewhat innovative things with the conference. Some of them will work, some of them won’t. And we welcome your input at all times.
>> JOHN EGBERT: Thank you, Karl.
>> TAMI HOSSLER: John [Eichwald], I have a question for you. You said that there is no national advisory committee or council setup. Would that be something that would be beneficial to what we’re discussing?
>> JOHN EICHWALD (CDC , EDHI co-sponsor and EDHI team leader) : I hate to sound like a bureaucrat, but I guess I am. I am from the CDC. As I said, I hate to sound like a bureaucrat, but that’s the hat that I wear oftentimes.
There are federal guidelines in terms of establishing a federal advisory group. And I am not going to read you all the pages of the Federal Advisory Committee Act which is called FACA, — all federal advisory boards have to follow this congressional law, this federal statute — Just reading from one of the paragraphs in terms of establishing a committee. “No advisory committee shall be established unless such establishment is, one, specifically authorized by statute or by the President. Or, two, it’s a matter of formal record by the head of the agency involved after consultation with the administrator.” The administrator in this case refers to the administrator of General Services Administration, GSA.
Let’s see, “…consult with the administrator with timely notice published in the Federal Register to be in the public interest in connection with the performance of duties imposed on that agency by law.”
The authorization for EHDI for both HRSA and CDC does not contain any specific language at this point in time that establishes the authority to — that gives us the authority to establish a federal advisory committee.
We could push it forward, but admittedly, the Federal Government is trying to where all possible combine federal advisory committees that were already existing. It’s a long process.
>> GLORIA KRAHN (CDC division director): I am Gloria, and I work at the CDC. Thank you. I would support what John has said, that establishing a formal advisory committee which would allow us to pay for travel, that kind of thing, is limited. What we do sometimes is establish a “workgroup” which is not formally recognized through which we have more difficulty paying for travel to come together, but that is one way that we have tried to incorporate methods for bringing other perspective into work that we do to help us think how we work.
I would like — could I take a little diversion. I wanted to find out how many people were at the closing session last night on Middle East peace through hearing health?
I know it was fast. The speech was very fast to stay current with, but I found that very inspiring, and it had me thinking that this group has bigger goals than only this conference. This conference is important, but only to get to some place, and — it had me thinking that there are bigger goals to really put out on the table and say, “Is it that families feel supported immediately? Is it that adults have community as they mature?”
Are those the things really to be finding common ground on, and then think through how to do that. I have openly been at the CDC for one and half years. I am so blessed to work with people that are so committed, and are so committed to what happens in the communities and not to what happens at the CDC.
So I think that that provides great opportunity to try to find those places. The goals will not be completely overlapping, but there is, I am sure, enough that is common that will feel like we could make much bigger progress than only struggling over how many people are on an advisory or workgroup, because it can’t be advisory, for this conference. I think that there is so much that can and needs to be done for this group to put its energy to.
>> TAMI HOSSLER: That’s basically what we’re discussing is being included, feeling a part of, finding the place where we can work as a group for you all to understand, and I am speaking as a hearing person. This is really odd situation for me speaking for Deaf people because this shouldn’t be. And speaking for my daughter, too, because she has come for the last three years. I believe that youth should be here because everything starts with early intervention. Everything starts with detection. Everything parents follow is because of what they’ve been given, and so many parents will follow that through. And I started that way and made adjustments. So this group of people are people who live the experience everyday, and have so much to offer to EHDI. They have so much to offer to early detection and audiologists and doctors, and all of these stakeholders that are on this list here (indicating) and that’s what we’re asking for today is just to be included as a respected stakeholder, and a valued stakeholder.
That’s all we’re really asking.
>> JOHN EGBERT: We have 20 minutes, so I would like to remind all of you how much time we have. I will let you know every five minutes.
Karl?
>> KARL WHITE: Just a very short question. Beth, you have served on the advisory committee. Did you feel respected?
>> BETH BENEDICT: Which advisory committee are you speaking of?
>> KARL WHITE: I shouldn’t have said advisory, planning committee. My mistake. Planning committee.
>> BETH BENEDICT: Okay. Oh, yes.
>> KARL WHITE: Susan? You served on the planning committee, where is Susan? She was here.
>> SUSAN ELLIOT (Deaf HS teacher from Colorado, National Board Certified Teachers, NBCT, Hands and Voices Board of Directors member): Here I am. I felt respected, Yes.
>> KARL WHITE: So, I mean, we have tried to do that. I didn’t want the impression to be left that that goal hadn’t already been addressed. It doesn’t mean that we can’t do it better or continue to do it, but it’s been done.
>> TAMI HOSSLER: I think that you are speaking specifically to the conference, and we’re talking in general. We’re not talking just to the conference. But we’re talking in general. And it’s a little hard as one person representing ASL Deaf people on the conference committee, if you are only one, or if you are only two, and it’s very difficult. You may feel respected, but do you feel included? There’s a lot of dynamics to this than is where I think that we have to somewhere get to the same table and have some discussions because it’s not going to happen in 45 minutes. Certainly not. And it may not happen in a year because it’s all about, you know, we come from a diverse cultures and communities, and so we have to respect and get to know reach other before we can really feel as if we’re working together.
And that’s all we’re asking, is that this group be one of these people here (indicating).
>> DAVID REYNOLDS: I’m sorry, I didn’t introduce myself at the beginning, but I think that most of you do know me already, but formally I am David Reynolds, and I am also a parent, an activist, I have many different hats, many different roles. So I would like to formally propose — and I am very happy to hear from Karl, and as the case study shows, we really need ASL users, Deaf professionals, people and friends and allies of the Deaf community to strongly get together and setup a group, and if it’s an advisory committee or working group, but a more formal setup. That’s my strong recommendation. I would like a plan of action because we get together and leave I don’t want things to be not clear. I’d like that to be setup.
>> JOHN EGBERT: Any comments?
>> TAMI HOSSLER: So do – (Woman seated close to Tami raises hand)
>> JOHN EGBERT: Say your name, please.
>> JENNIFER JONES (Deaf Family Literacy Academy in Florida): Jennifer: I am Jennifer Jones, and I am with the Deaf Family Literacy Academy. Those groups on that circle [indicating to a graph of stakeholders from the ASHTO case study], I would just like to know how they got there, for lack of a better question, in terms of having contact with EHDI.
>> KARL WHITE: That’s not a study that we had anything to do with. It was actually funded by a different department of CDC. We saw it. We saw the final report the same time you saw the final report, so I don’t know how they selected those groups.
>> JENNIFER JONES: Are you saying that those group do not have contact with EHDI, that the study is not valid?
>> KARL WHITE: They do not have formal — there is no formal mechanism for them to have input other than what everybody else has. You have — well, see, there is a problem with saying “you” because that suggests that this group here is some sort of cohesive, unified group. It is not. You know, you all come to this some of you represent the Deaf Bilingual Coalition, some of you represent the group that you just mentioned. That is not one I am familiar with there is the National Association of the Deaf, there are, I don’t know, 50 Deaf groups or more. All of those groups have the same kind of input to this conference, but I think that the point Gloria made, and that some here re-emphasized, is that this is a larger issue. And so you have input to lots of different places. And as I said before, think that this group has demonstrated, “this group” meaning NCHAM, EHDI as a planning committee to take ideas from wherever they come from you give us good ideas, we’ll do our best to sort through them and implement them.
We can’t implement every idea that we get, but I think that that self-congratulatory perhaps, but I think that we’ve done pretty well in implementing a lot of different ideas. And we will continue to do so.
>> TAMI HOSSLER: And so what you said here —
>> JOHN EGBERT: Tami? (Indicating that she can have her turn)
>> TAMI HOSSLER : I’m sorry.
The point that you made is there really is not a formal process. Maybe that’s something that while you could start think being really good formal process in which we could all work together so that we are communicating and networking and we all are on the same — you know, we all have the same information so that we’re sharing that. That’s what this group wants to be. They want to be part of this sharing of what’s going on. So we don’t have — in 45 minutes we can’t decide who will be on the stakeholders group, or how — we can’t do any of the who’s or how’s right now today. But what we’re basically doing is saying, “Hey, we’re here, and we care about Deaf children.” Look here. We have Deaf adults. My child grew up to be a Deaf adult. And all of these young parents that are here this week, children grow up to be adults.
And wouldn’t it be cool if EHDI at this whole EHDI conference was at least half or more Deaf professionals in this whole field. Now, wouldn’t that be something that our own children would be involved and included in this whole thing? I mean, wouldn’t that be the goal?
I know that we need doctors and that’s not to say Deaf people can’t be doctors. We need everybody. But we do need Deaf adults in the system. We need Deaf people represented — representing themselves as ASL users. And we have worked really hard in the past three years to get more Deaf people here. I know that you’ve seen it. I mean, I know you’ve seen it and it’s good. It’s good. Because Deaf people are not invisible anymore, at least at the EHDI conference. But what we hope is that Deaf people won’t be invisible at all levels of EHDI. So that as parents like me don’t have to search two or three years to find the Deaf people myself, find someone that’s an actual real, live Deaf person coming to me to give me the information that I need. And that’s what all of these people care about.
And you are so right. This all works together into the bigger picture. And we’re here because we see the picture. We see the end results. We see what happens in Vocational Rehab at the end. We see that children are not graduating from high school with a standard diploma, the grade is very low, even today. And 90% of the kids are mainstreamed so we can’t blame it on Deaf schools. Where is the problem? So that’s why we’re all here because we care so deeply about these kids because these kids grow up to be Deaf adults. And we want them to be all of these Deaf adults, because people in this room are all Deaf adults. I will stop on that one.
>> JOHN EGBERT: We have 15 minutes left. We have one lady back here who put her hand up. Please stay your name.
>> PATTI MARTIN (Director, Audiology and Speech Pathology Arkansas Children’s Hospital): I am Patty Martin, and I am an audiologist. I just wanted to make a couple of quick responses from that point of view because I have been involved in EHDI since we first screened the first hundred babies in the country. So I have been doing it for a while.
One of the things that I see from the outside looking in is the benefit that I have had as a professional whose life is surrounded by providing access to hearing for families, okay? Is that I see what I’ve learned from the Deaf community, and I see how they have changed my practice in that what I’ve really learned is that I am about family choice, and I am about honoring what families choose, and I am about doing my part as an audiologist to make sure that families have exposure to that. And so my experience as an audiologist in my state has been that I want families to be able to meet Deaf adults, and I want them to see the range of experiences and opportunities that are available to their children, and then I want them to feel like that is a decision that has been driven by the knowledge that they’ve gained across the board, and it’s not a decision that they make once and stick to, but something that’s evolving to them over time.
So think that when you come to a national meeting like this, you sometimes don’t see the impact that your efforts have made over time because they are very grassroots level efforts. And the things that we’ve seen as most influential in my over 10 years with EHDI have been those grassroots efforts have, been those individual Deaf adults who have stepped up in communities around the country and volunteered to be on boards, advisory boards, et cetera, not those that have come in really at this level because we need that to be a groundswell upwards. I think that’s what we’ve seen with families who wanted spoken language and couldn’t get it, that it started at the bottom and built its way up. I think that’s what we’ve seen from different groups.
And so while I value that we need different sorts of involvements and more, I would just continue to remind you that it’s that groundswell that up seems to have had such great impact on how we do this over time.
>> JOHN EGBERT: Thank you. We have 12 minutes left. Tony?
>> TONY RONCO (IMPACT President): I‘ll hurry. I am Tony Ronco. And I am a father — I am engineer / manager–and a father of two children, one Deaf, a 10-year-old. I appreciate wanting to get to the big picture, and I appreciate being open-minded and taking suggestions. That’s wonderful. Being an engineer manager I want to get to the next step. So I think Gloria — you provided a next step,. the workgroup. If we could get together, because I think maybe — Karl used a word in the past, a “clearinghouse” for ideas. — So working with a workgroup to give the cream of the crop of the ideas to you and the cosponsors, That way you don’t have a lot of filtering, and filter through a lot of information and suggestions. So the workgroup will work together refining those ideas and advice. That’s a way of staying connected and really is “the” next step — for connecting and making sure that not only within this grassroots organization – being an organization for you which can gather up all those ideas and be a clearinghouse for you. That was quick.
>> JOHN EGBERT: Thank you. 10 minutes left. Thank you. Anyone else have a comment?
>> GINA OLIVIA (Gallaudet University): My name is Gina Olivia, and I work at Gallaudet University in different capacities. Can you interpret for me, please? It’s easier for me to use my voice. I am a little bit nervous about saying what I want to say, but this is a place where we can put things out. And if we think about the black community, the Native American communities, it’s hard for people who are hearing to see that we see ourselves as a cultural group rather than as a “disability, medical orientation,” and it’s hard for us to — it’s hard for a lot of people to see parallels between the Deaf community and the ethnic minorities, Black, Native Americans, think about the Native Americans right now and the plight that they have, and how they are still pushed down, they’re living on reservations. Where are the Native Americans up at the top? Working for the bringing up of the Native Americans. (Cell phone ringing interrupts) It’s still not happening.
But the black community, it has happened, and we have an African-American President. So what we’re really asking for here, if I would dare to say it, is the Deaf professionals are a little more important than the speech-pathologists, the audiologists, just a little bit only to bring the balance up. So anyway, I just wanted to put that out there.
>> JOHN EGBERT: Karl?
>> KARL WHITE: No, that’s okay.
>> JOHN EGBERT: 8 minutes left.
>> DAVID REYNOLDS: Can I go back? Can I go back to —
>> JOHN EGBERT: You need to say your name.
>> DAVID REYNOLDS: My name is David Reynolds. Can I go back to — thank you for this discussion. I think that we all feel in agreement and to have some type of advisory committee or workgroup. So we need that group. We need to start in that group, and right now we need to decide who will be involved. So Beth and I have already proposed that we would be happy to be the contact, the point of contact for people to contact us to start discussing how to bring people together who will be chosen to be in that group. So that’s what needs to happen right now, and that’s my suggestion. Beth and I have already talked about being the point of contact, rolling up our sleeves, and helping the group.
As Gloria mentioned, we need Deaf professionals here.
>> JOHN EGBERT: Karl?
>> KARL WHITE: I need to clarify. We have not agreed to setup a workgroup. I think that we can commit as co-sponsors that we will think about developing a more formal process for input from people. Is that fair?
But the devil is in the details. We’ll think about your input. We will treat it respectfully and carefully, but we have not agreed to setup a workgroup with Beth or David as the formal liaisons. We will certainly continue to answer e-mails and phone calls from anybody, okay, so that’s a form of input that you have.
If whatever input there is going to work, it’s going to have to be more respectful and accurate than the last set of e-mails. And so I am speaking only for myself, but I did not enjoy the process the last three weeks, and if there is going to be a workgroup, then it will need to be representative of lots of different inputs from the Deaf community, as well as other communities. And so we as co-sponsors of this meeting will certainly think about and would welcome your continuing input on how that might be setup.
>> JOHN EGBERT: Five minutes left. Beth?
>> BETH BENEDICT: I am Beth. Now, I agree that we have to look at the process. I understand that, yes. Everything has toe follow the rules. I understand that and agree with that. I think that the bottom line is that all of us agree that something has to be done to get equal involvement, equal partnership from the different stakeholders. That we do understand.
And I think that it might and good time for us to think about EHDI and, I mean, intervention, the “I” standing for intervention, and “I” also means involvement. That’s my motto. And why I want to look at the national level is that we’re all are a model for the other 50 states. So we have to start somewhere. I think that this is a beautiful place to start that kind of collaboration and dialogue. And you know my platform. I am not going to repeat that. But communication is key.
>> JOHN EGBERT: Tami.
>> TAMI HOSSLER: I notice that you have not agreed to a working group, but I hope that you will highly consider a working group because this is really a top priority. I think that a formal process — two things: A working group and a formal process. That would be great collaboration, and that would improve EHDI even better than it already is.
Go ahead. (John Eichwald is indicating he wants to comment)
>> JOHN EICHWALD: I have two parts I want to make sure that we all understand. And, first of all, I know how important face-to-face is, particularly in this group. That can be expensive, and I certainly don’t want to see services reduced to children. So that’s the concern on my part that this doesn’t get too big and unmanageable and cost the public so much that it’s impacting those services.
>> TAMI HOSSLER: Do you know how many of us paid our own way here?
>> JOHN EICHWALD: The second part of it is reiterates what Karl said is we’re going To have to do this in a balanced way and listen to everybody. That’s the requirement that we have to do with the Federal Government. So it’s going to be a very difficult balance for us to maintain and to move forward. But, I mean, we certainly want to listen. I mean, the reason that I am in EHDI is because of the passion of everyone here. That’s what keeps me coming to work everyday. And that’s why my heart’s still here. I have been doing this 30 years, and I don’t know if I will be doing it for another 30 years, but it’s the passion that’s moving us forward 18 welcome that because I share that passion.
>> JOHN EGBERT: Three minutes left.
>> TONY RONCO: I’ll hurry. Just a recommendation for the three advantages of a work group. One is the whole filtering process is going on within the workgroup. So first within a workgroup they go through the storming process, so by the time they forward ideas to you, you don’t have to see, experience any of storming. It’s filtered out. You just get the finished product. The second thing is the cost within a workgroup it can be localized, there are other things it can do other than traveling to a national conference to meet once a year. And a lot of us here did pay our own way. I want to emphasize that –(interrupted by CART transcriber that speaker needs to be louder) – I think I just ran out of time for my third point — so I’ll stop.
>> JOHN EGBERT. Three minutes left.
>> KARL WHITE: An alternative for you to consider is for you to setup a working group to accomplish exactly what Tony talked about. Rather than for CDC, MCHB, NCHAM to setup a workgroup, to sort through, filter, and then feedback constructive suggestions and ideas that is balanced among all of the Deaf community. Think about that.
>> TONY RONCO: I need to add my third point. Sorry. Real quick:. The third one was the importance of a person like Gloria, if we have her within a work group then a proposal doesn’t have to work all the way up the process to find out something is wrong, such as the “advisory committee” designation and then have to work all the way back down. So with your participation, we get all of that corrections up front before a proposal starts moving up. That’s my third point. I am sorry if I cut that off. But that was the point.
>> JOHN EGBERT: Two minutes left.
>> TAMI HOSSLER: I just want to wrap up with what Tony is saying. What we’re basically asking is that we have point of contact at EHDI that we can bring up. Here is our group, here is the information that we need from all of you, how do we work with you? I mean, there are a lot of questions involved in this whole process because it’s all new to us. So is there a point of contact that we could have from all of you here?
>> KARL WHITE: There are four. John, Irene, Karl, Michelle.
[John Eichwald, CDC: Irene Forsman, HRSA/MCHB; Karl White NCHAM: Michelle Esquivel, AAP]
>> TAMI HOSSLER: Shall we keep it to you four now? We don’t want to bombard you. Because they’re going to be the point of contact, and nobody else will be. And they’ll collaborate with the different organizations to find representation, and it will, and the process.
>> JOHN EGBERT: One minute left. Have we been progressive today? Have we been productive today? Any last comments?
>> [Person Unidentified in Transcription]; Just to wrap up. What are we leaving with? What’s the wrap up?
>> DAVID REYNOLDS: I know time has run out. I want to thank you all for coming, and I hope that you will take this seriously, this meeting, that we really want to start an open dialogue and have a point of contact. That would be the four of you, and the two of us, and now we can start dialoguing and have Deaf professionals and Deaf stakeholders be there in the planning process. That’s our goal, and we are passionate about this. And we have a passion about Deaf children and Deaf babies. And I think that it’s very important that really we start some work and setup a working group.
When you talk about contact through e-mails, I am not really that interested in that. We’ve already had that back and forth dialogue. I prefer an open-face dialogue because that’s where true communication and our visual language happens. So it’s important that we can have more open dialogue, more open discussions. E-mail for contacts to setup schedules, yes, and keep that avenue open, but that’s how we can keep improving this. And we can use the videophone through video relay service, over videophones. We can use that also, or iChat. We all have Macs, and we can use iChat. There are a lot of different routes to have face-to-face dialogue.
>> JOHN EGBERT: Thank you, thank you. We’ve run out of time. I want to thank Karl. I want to thank John. And all of you here. This has been a very good meeting this morning. Thank you.
(Applause)
(End of meeting)
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